In a little over 200 years the United States have built the

greatest economy and military in the world.

The US is the envy of the world. These other socialist hell hole countries would like to drag us down to their level.

 

[Oceans11]

So how come you have tens of millions of people who live in abject poverty?
No healthcare, no decent social provision no decent housing.

I know you like to believe that people are jealous of you, so dream on, its your fantasy, enjoy it.

When I was in the US, I thought it was a good place to live in, if you're loaded, but then so is pretty much any country in the entire world if youre loaded.

Its also a good place to live in if you want to die in the gutter like a dog.

 

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I have to disagree with this. USA have a massive debt and you don't have any chances to pay it back. Worse thing is that the debt is rising all the time. There are many other countries in this same situation so you are not the worst, but not the greatest either.

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Yep. USA rules the world right now. Maybe word military is not a correct word. Your military technology is above others. What I have heard from "the people" your soldiers condition is quite weak. You have special forces, but they are not any better than eq. SAS. It's all about technology nowdays.

And remember all empires has fallen down sooner or later. Some people has predicted that USA (as it is nowdays) doesn't exist 2030. I don't know what that means. Has USA fallen apart or do we have only one country in this world by year 2030 and it's called USA?

 

[Brazil4Worldcup2002]

Even Rome fell and you know what, they were destroyed by a bunch of barbarians they felt were inferior to them (just like your envy of the world argument).

The situation may not be much different now and in the future, except, Americans have less and will always have less culture than the Romans hehe.

 

The Romans fell because of the swill within.

I believe the swill is being exposed in the US as we speak.

The US $ is what the world wants. Ask Saddam.

 

[Phaedrus]

eek: You are hysterical. We do not have tens of millions of people living in abject powerty; even the most bleeding of hearts do not make such a ludicrous claim. We do have poverty in this country, and homelessness and a number ofother issues. It is not possible to forcibly eradicate these issues, as such Socilaist utopians as Canada and Sweden have attempted. What we do have in the US, unparalleled anywhere else in the world, is econoic freedom and opportunity.

Despite the best efforts of the left and right alike, the US is still the last best place on earth to go wehn you're tired of the shitwater in which you grew up and want to make something of yourself. Even a cursory review of INS data would tell you this.

On the health care issue: that we do not have state-mandated and funded health care does not mean that Americans are unable to access health care. It is against the law in this country for a hospital to refuse to treat an individual on the basis that he may not be able to pay for the work done on him. It is against the law for medical creditors to harass an individual over debts incurred by medical treatment as long as that person is making at ;least a token effort to repay his debt (if I am not mistaken the amount is $ 35.00 a month, but I am not sure on this.)

Every attempt to institutionalise our medical industry -- Medicaid, Medicare, various state schemes surrounding children's "rights" to medical treatment, has only led to continuously escalating medical costs for everyone else, because it simply cannot be had both ways. THIS is the root cause of the problems that we have with our medical system, that would-be and flaming Socialists alike simply could not leave a functioning system alone.

In Canada you can't get an MRI because it's considered "experimental." It's stil considered experimental because the state will not come off the money neccessary to provide MRI eqiptment to Canadian hospitals. The Canadian medical system is a fraud- and incopetence-ridden disaster, yet I hear them brag about it continuously, along with other evidence of their "second only to Sweden" standard of living.

Alex: Rome was, as out said, destroyed from within, not without. Roman society was at one point substantially more advanced than anything which came after it for a thousand years, but I'm dying to know what aspects of a idolistic, barbaric, war-crazy empire you consider to be superior in *culture* to the US.

You're right on the point that it is going down the tubes though. The Roman Republic stood for more than a thousand years; once it became an empire it stood barely two centuries before the major fractures began, and by the time it "fell" it was already a shadow of it's former greatness. The US didn't even make it a century as a republic; our only saving grace s that our emperors have not come one after another -- some of our leaders have held dear the principals on which the country was formed, and some were simply too inept to even be dangerous.


Phaedrus

 

[KMAN]

OutandUp - I don't know about that, I'd rather be living in the middle east still wearing robes and living in huts.

KMAN

 

[radiofreecostarica]

Where are your sources for this? Some say that UN Numbers are always fudged by policy-makers in the US. Literacy lingers more closely to 70% than the 94% the numbers seem to brag about.

Rome imploded because power was taken from the Senate by the "emperor".

So the Roman Empire wasn't always an empire. Nor the Brits, Spaniards etc.

I would say that out is misinformed. The US populace is misinformed by a media that either uses propaganda or "filler" for those 24 hours news networks to seem like they are the genuine cornerstones in the quest for information: The greatest propaganda machine in the world.

Why?

Because there exist people, like out, who still insist that it is nothing of the sort.

 

[radiofreecostarica]

Phaedrus,

How do you know this?
It is not possible to forcibly eradicate these issues

 

I'm still waiting for the first milk carton raft full of liberals to set sail from Florida to Cuba or Haiti. Let me know if it ever happens.

[This message was edited by outandup on 04-23-03 at 01:15 PM.]

 

[Jabow]

Guys,
have you heard the story abouth the man living on a little island, eating coconuts, and bananas, and dreamt about going to the big city, with the fast life and advance in technology??
After a while living in the "advance world"
he high tailed it back to the little island,
too much B.S,


QUESTION?? whats better, fast life, fast pace, high technology, CABLE, MOVIES, CARS, FAST WOMEN, and lIFE, highways, escalaters, high rises, high prices, taxes, robberies, AIDS, STD's, CANCER, WAR, ETC, ETC

Or , sitting on the beach all day, drinking coconut juices, and eating bananas, and think about but what river I'm going to swim in tomorrow, or should I have a banana, grapefruit, peach, coconut, or just do what I did yesterday, laze around, eat fresh fruits and vegetable, go swimming, and bang the chick in the hut another 3 hrs, in the am, then in the afternoon, then at night, then early in the am.

 

[Phaedrus]

RFC, I base my conclusion on the to-date completely unsuccessful attempts by the state t wipe out assorted ills, real and imaginary:

The New Deal
Social Security
Affirmative Action
The War on Drugs
The War on Illiteracy
The War on Poverty
The War on Terrorism

Etc.

It is not possible for a state to wipe out these things, which are to an extent problems in the US to be sure. They will exist to some extent as a matter of natural course, and only such spectacular evasion of reality as a state can promote will lead people to believe any other.



Phaedrus

 

jabow,
depends on the beach, cuba or haiti=NO, Maui or the bahamas=YES.

 

[Oceans11]

My straw hut would have to have a broadband internet cable running into it, to the 'puter
And a fridge freezer, for ice cream, to go with the fruit.
And a generator to power these things...oops

Tch. I think I'd be bad news for paradise.

 

I can't believe all the CRAP some of you posters come up with.

The U.S.A. was built on Freedom by mostly Western Europeans and South Americans that wanted a freer way of life. So we are a Melting Pot of all races, creeds and religions.
And the driving force behind the U.S. is something Unique and a force stronger than anywhere on Earth.

So YES the U.S.A. will always be the the most Prosperous country in the World and the Strongest. And this will continue on for another 10,000 - 100,000 years.

And all you NAY sayers from other countries you seem to forget WHO your people are and the FACT that you not only LIVE for the U.S.A. but you work for us as well. FACT.

 

[kayaman+]

To bad we haven't produced more art, literature, a decent public educational system, an end to poverty and homelessness in our country, medical care as a right of all citizens, lower levels of ignorance and illiteracy, a billingual (at the very least) public, a penal system that actually rehabilitates, a status as active memember of our global community rather than active bully.

We still have a long way to go and this ah-huh-huh screw the world we can do what we want cuz we got more missles attitude only pushes us backwards.

 

[Jointpleasure]

"To bad we haven't produced more art, literature"

more fags is not what American needs

"a decent public educational system"

responsible parenting to force kids to study even if they dont WANT to.

"medical care as a right of all citizens"

if you can't afford it don't buy it - sorry

"lower levels of ignorance and illiteracy"

read good conservative based articles, books...

"a billingual (at the very least) public"

lick my balls is lick my balls in any language

"a penal system that actually rehabilitates"

fifteen strikes and your out - OK next

"a status as active memember of our global community rather than active bully."

when someone comes up behind you and hits you over the side of the head with a baseball bat I hope ( if you are still conscious ) you'll defend yourself. Bush did just that after 9/11

 

WTF art??????????

Shit you can't eat art.

Nice art in Baghdad.

 

[radiofreecostarica]

joint....

you gotta be joking, right?

There is no "conservative" literature. the fact that most americans can't speak ENGLISH is scary, much less a small hope for them being bilingual...

if you can't afford it don't buy it
If you can't afford it the price should be dropped.
And your statement regarding art and literature is tantamount to showing us all the ignoramus that you are.

 

[kayaman+]

Joint,

" "To bad we haven't produced more art, literature"

more fags is not what American needs"

Ok so aside from ignorant you're a prejudiced biggot, no better than a kkk memember or a neo-nazi.

""a decent public educational system"

responsible parenting to force kids to study even if they dont WANT to."

It doesn't matter how much you force kids to study if the materials are ethnocentrical and second rate. It's not a disipline problem it's a matter of standards and quality education.

""medical care as a right of all citizens"

if you can't afford it don't buy it - sorry"

It's medical care not a luxury car. If the richest nation neglects it's own people on medical care that's just plain embarrassing.

""lower levels of ignorance and illiteracy"

read good conservative based articles, books..."

How the hell is close minded conservative rhetoric going to reduce ignorance??? Look how ignorant you are just as an example. I'm talking about the average American using the English language (his/her first and probably only language) poorly or incorrectly. The average American knowing incredibly little about world history, geographics, mathematics, etc.

""a billingual (at the very least) public"

lick my balls is lick my balls in any language"

So you have no respect or appreciation for languages either. You do like to show off your ignorance don't you.

""a status as active memember of our global community rather than active bully."

when someone comes up behind you and hits you over the side of the head with a baseball bat I hope ( if you are still conscious ) you'll defend yourself. Bush did just that after 9/11"

We did in Afganistan and I agreed with that. What does that have to do with us trying to dictate policy to other nations?